tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post5804365401142929282..comments2024-03-09T04:06:47.712-05:00Comments on Abstract Comics: The Blog: The List of Long Form Abstract ComicsAndrei Molotiuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17400106944822618816noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-6119799753113368882013-04-21T14:34:37.576-04:002013-04-21T14:34:37.576-04:00That's great! I'd love to see your student...That's great! I'd love to see your students' work. <br /><br />btw, I made this post a while back about abstract comics in the classroom: <br /><a href="http://abstractcomics.blogspot.com/2011/05/teaching-with-abstract-comics.html" rel="nofollow">http://abstractcomics.blogspot.com/2011/05/teaching-with-abstract-comics.html</a><br />Feel free to send me anything relevant and I can add it.Mike Getsivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07473483211708315485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-26833504190862274552013-04-19T20:31:21.995-04:002013-04-19T20:31:21.995-04:00My mistake Mike, I've really only seen the fou...My mistake Mike, I've really only seen the four pages of Lightbeam that you posted here. http://www.getsivizion.com/comics/lightbeam.htm<br />These pages are ACs and beautiful compositions.<br /><br />I must tell you Mike that I use the AC anthology to teach AC's to my Yr 9 students and most of the kids go for your Shapes pages when they have to choose an artist to study. They love your work. <br /><br />Thanks for making my ASA link live.Kym Tabulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13426872984145234448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-77090317535169038432013-04-19T18:29:25.427-04:002013-04-19T18:29:25.427-04:00I consider Lightbeam to be only semi-abstract, if ...I consider Lightbeam to be only semi-abstract, if at all. It may use strictly elemental forms and have a somewhat obscured narrative but it's still basically a character-driven story taking place in a representational environment. <br /><br />(Not sure if you read this on the blog but some of the more vague passages from Lightbeam were actually used to pitch the idea for the Abstract Comics anthology to Fantagraphics. However, I never thought of it formally as an abstract comic.)Mike Getsivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07473483211708315485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-73282756230863907172013-04-19T07:26:29.409-04:002013-04-19T07:26:29.409-04:00Hi Mike,
Here is another one example:-
Pequenos Mu...Hi Mike,<br />Here is another one example:-<br />Pequenos Mundos by Diniz Conefrey 2011<br />Also isn’t Lightbeam 2005 your work? Should it be included?<br />Thanks for including my work which is still untitled so ASA is good for now.<br />I’m also happy for others to see my first 50 pages or get my URL if that’s ok. <br />It is part of my doctoral research which is practice based so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks again for taking on this task it is really helpful.<br />I hope you have a peaceful time this week in the US.<br />Kym<br /><br />Kym Tabulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13426872984145234448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-14828720502261276312013-04-18T19:56:46.759-04:002013-04-18T19:56:46.759-04:00You're welcome, Kym!
Is the title of your bo...You're welcome, Kym! <br /><br />Is the title of your book <em>Abstract Sequential Art</em>? I'll be happy to post it on the list as an "upcoming publication".Mike Getsivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07473483211708315485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-19770608222335015602013-04-18T06:20:32.364-04:002013-04-18T06:20:32.364-04:00Hi Mike,
Thanks for this list, I'm also intere...Hi Mike,<br />Thanks for this list, I'm also interested this aspect of Abstract Comics reserch.<br />Others I know of are:-<br />2010 Rosaire Appel's Where In: A Series of Events<br />2011 Derik Badman's Badman’s Cave (24 pages) and AH Seen (36 pages)<br /><br />Here is a link to my abstract comics, which will be 150 pages and due to be completed in September 2013.<br />http://abstractsequentialart.com/<br />Cheers<br />Kym Tabulo<br /> <br />Kym Tabulohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13426872984145234448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-39023220332632774332013-04-15T15:58:55.855-04:002013-04-15T15:58:55.855-04:00As I wrote in my main post above, I'm adding a...As I wrote in my main post above, I'm adding anything suggested by anyone. I didn't want to get too involved in judging, myself but perhaps I should take more time before adding anything until it's decided by all if they qualify. <br /><br />I don't like the idea of jerking anyone around by adding and then removing titles, so please take a harder look at each before asking me to add more, especially if any of the artists are tuning in. (We don't know the dead ones aren't watching us!) <br /><br />For now, if the person who suggested a title asks for it to be removed, then I'll remove it.Mike Getsivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07473483211708315485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-43757323455032758572013-04-15T03:50:00.041-04:002013-04-15T03:50:00.041-04:00@petit trait : there are a critic in D9.org, if yo...@<i>petit trait</i> : there are a critic in D9.org, if you want. It's in the same vein than <i>bleu</i> but with "petits traits".Mattias-Fausse-Monnaiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350010507759487605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-10712604912867284952013-04-14T20:03:09.445-04:002013-04-14T20:03:09.445-04:00Well, I'd say "Bleu" belongs because...Well, I'd say "Bleu" belongs because Lewis Trondheim agreed to have an excerpt from it published in "Abstract Comics," and because similar comics by him were published in the "B.D. abstraite" sections of Bile Noite. <br /><br />I don't know Petit Trait, so I can't speak of it.<br /><br />"Abstraction 1941-1968" is disputable, yes, but I think a good case can be made for it, so we might as well keep it. <br /><br />OK on "TENM," if you insist... I'll write more about it later.Andrei Molotiuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400106944822618816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-24599009791171867382013-04-14T16:31:32.655-04:002013-04-14T16:31:32.655-04:00the answer to Andrei is the second asterisk…the answer to Andrei is the second asterisk…Mattias-Fausse-Monnaiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350010507759487605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-34636819673460982932013-04-14T16:29:41.963-04:002013-04-14T16:29:41.963-04:00Well, as it's my fault… : Mike, yes, remove fr...Well, as it's my fault… : Mike, yes, remove from this list <i>TNT en amérique</i>, <i>la nouvelle pornographie</i> (because it's discutable and ambigous) and <i>Circles Cycles Circuits</i> (which more a <i>recueil</i> of comics than a comic book, and all isn't abstract inside). Put outside <i>Bleu</i> and <i>Petit Trait</i> (because they are more "concret comics" than abstract comics*) and ,also, "Abstraction 1941-1968" (which can be to regard as abstract comic but which is as well other things).<br />The well all go down is maybe more a graphic novel than comic book (and is, maybe also, "concret").<br />Keep inside <i>TENM</i>, which IS abstract comic.*<br /><br />*@Andrei : I don't understand what you see of representational and narrative in TENM ; if you can explain to me ?…<br /><br />*Their authors don't really regard its like abstractMattias-Fausse-Monnaiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350010507759487605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-70163970545293925192013-04-14T15:52:46.864-04:002013-04-14T15:52:46.864-04:00Mike--for the reasons given above, I think it'...Mike--for the reasons given above, I think it's a mistake to include "TNT en Amerique,' "La Nouvelle Pornographie," etc., in this list. It dilutes too much the notion of abstract comic, and makes the list, in my opinion, a less useful tool than it could have been.Andrei Molotiuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400106944822618816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-40997859790995178782013-04-14T07:32:42.572-04:002013-04-14T07:32:42.572-04:00"episode x" by Rosaire Appel / 28 pgs (h..."episode x" by Rosaire Appel / 28 pgs (http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/rappel)<br /> depends on where the line is between graphic novella and abstract comic for these two:<br />"and yet" by Rosaire Appel /56 pages (http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/rappel)<br />"an unauthorized account" by Rosaire Appel 54 pages (http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/rappel)rappelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03569445602513667186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-92152253185195771422013-04-13T15:41:10.314-04:002013-04-13T15:41:10.314-04:00Well, if you think that a lot of Renaissance pictu...Well, if you think that a lot of Renaissance pictures are more abstract than Pollock's work, then I guess we are working with different meanings of abstraction? Of course abstraction can mean "idealization," "generalization," etc., as in the abstraction that leads to concept formation. But that is much too general for my purposes. I think it's important to distinguish between genres, so that we can have more exploration, more experimentation in specific direction. As such, while these comics that you mention have the general "abstraction" of conceptual art in general, they are not "abstract comics" in my definition. And listen, I like them a lot! But I don't want to water down the mission of this site, and the possibilites of abstract comics proper. So, sorry, I disagree too.<br /><br />There are four pages of Kurt Kranz reproduced in the introduction. Andrei Molotiuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400106944822618816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-49747389101966308222013-04-13T10:27:20.401-04:002013-04-13T10:27:20.401-04:00Andrei, sorry, I disagree with you on this points…...Andrei, sorry, I disagree with you on this points…<br /><br /><i>La nouvelle pornographie</i> isn't more nor less abstract than <i>Bleu</i> ; and maybe even !, <i>la nouvelle pornographie</i> is more abstract than <i>Bleu</i>, which is a "concret comic" (as <i>petit trait</i>). I think "LNP" is a <i>pornographie idéel</i> ; it'sn't the minimalism representation of sex act some want to see there, but the symbolic representation of sex, where the light (the non-penetration) fights with the dark (the penetration) ; there is something of hieratic, transcendental inside ; and this, it's, I think, abstract. <i>Bleu</i>, on the contrary, is very Kandinsky <i>dernière période</i> ; a story of protozoan, a commonplace representation of microscopic world. After, I know Lewis Trondheim don't regard "LNP" as abstract comic ; but <i>Bleu</i> either.<br /><br />"Abstraction" is, at first sight, abstract in the common acceptation way of word in the XX century and in your introduction for the anthology. It is inside but, yes, as something postmodern, or, maybe, "archeomodern", for use the term of Arnauld Pierre. But, I believe, beyond, it is really abstract because, in the first hand, the process used, "le recouvrement" — to hide for better to show that's hidden —, is a abstraction process, and, in other hand, the reading doesn't lean on the perceptible world's reader but on a extraperceptible world.<br />TNT shows it is but which isn't visible in <i>Tintin en Amérique</i>. And, for me, it's abstract.<br />After, you can see its like conceptual comics… But the concept, issn't a abstraction's way ?<br /><br /><i>TENM</i> is clearly abstract ; a lot more than <i>Treize huit cinq</i>, which is more concret — I designed <i>Treize huit cinq</i> in the way of concret art et epicurism. In <i>TENM</i>, the space and the time aren't those of perceptible world, those which in "classical" and representational comics, but a speculation on the real time and the real space. And I will add all representations, figuratism, narration, classical mecanism and determinism, which are in <i>Little Nemo</i>, are destroyed in <i>TENM</i><br /><br />And I think a lot of Renaissance pictures are more abstract than Pollock's Work. <br /><br />There are pages of Kurt Kranz in the anthology (the book) ?!… Mattias-Fausse-Monnaiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350010507759487605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-64507146715340431132013-04-12T16:23:39.345-04:002013-04-12T16:23:39.345-04:00Mattias--I would disagree that many of those are a...Mattias--I would disagree that many of those are actually abstract comics, though they are experimental, and all of them fascinating. However, I think we need a larger category to fit them in.<br /><br />La nouvelle pornographie is definitely NOT abstract; its whole point is that what, at first sight, may seem abstract is very clearly representational and narrative after you've deciphered how to read it (and that takes only a few seconds to figure out).<br /><br />"Abstraction" uses elements of abstraction, but its heart is in a different place, I think.<br /><br />TNT en amerique and TenM, again, are primarily appropriation, collage, but the representation is crucial for how they function. The same is true for Circles Cycles Circuits (which I like a lot--but it's not an abstract comic.)<br /><br />I haven't seen Petit Trait or WAGD 3, so I can't comment on those.<br /><br />Yeah, I meant to add Kurt Kranz, I even reproduced four pages of SW/WS in the anthology; also search for his name on this blog, I did at least another post of his work. Andrei Molotiuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400106944822618816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-31737554228499432552013-04-11T12:06:00.608-04:002013-04-11T12:06:00.608-04:00I add any french (belgian or swiss) AC which are n...I add any french (belgian or swiss) AC which are not in your list : <br />— <i>Abstraction (1941-1968</i> by Jochen Gerner, L'Association, Paris, 2011 ;<br />— <i>Petit trait</i> d'Alex Baladi, L'Association, collection patte de mouche, Paris, 2008 ;<br />— <i>La nouvelle pornographie</i>, Lewis Trondheim, L'Association, collection patte de mouche, Paris ;<br />— <i>TNT en amérique</i>, Jochen Gerner, L'Ampoule, 2002 ; <br />— <i>We all go down #3</i>, Ilian Manouach : <a href="http://weallgodown.tumblr.com/wagd" rel="nofollow">http://weallgodown.tumblr.com/wagd</a> and <a href="http://www.ilanmanouach.com/portfolio/we-all-go-down/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ilanmanouach.com/portfolio/we-all-go-down/</a> ;<br />— someone <i>Reconstitutions</i> by Lucas Taïeb are AC : <a href="http://abstractcomics.blogspot.fr/2012/05/reconstruction-by-lucas-taieb.html" rel="nofollow">http://abstractcomics.blogspot.fr/2012/05/reconstruction-by-lucas-taieb.html</a> ; <br /><br><br />I have two AC, but only in pdf, not print : <br />— <i>treize huit cinq</i>, mFausse, 2012 : <a href="http://mfausse.blogspot.fr/2012/08/treize-huit-cinq.html" rel="nofollow">http://mfausse.blogspot.fr/2012/08/treize-huit-cinq.html</a> ;<br />— <i>TENM</i>, mFausse, 2012 : <a href="http://mfausse.blogspot.fr/2012/12/tenm.html" rel="nofollow">http://mfausse.blogspot.fr/2012/12/tenm.html</a>.<br /><br><br />In other countries : <br />— [Germany]<i>schwarz : weiß/weiß : schwarz</i> by Kurt Kranz, bauhaus ?, 1928/1929, republished by Spector books, 2011 (?) : <a href="http://www.mottodistribution.com/site/?tag=kurt-kranz" rel="nofollow">http://www.mottodistribution.com/site/?tag=kurt-kranz</a> <br />— [croatia] <i>CIRCLES CYCLES CIRCUITS</i>, Dunja Jankovic.Mattias-Fausse-Monnaiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12350010507759487605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-25980499669489169002013-04-11T09:25:22.329-04:002013-04-11T09:25:22.329-04:00How long is long form? There is my and Ammann'...How long is long form? There is my and Ammann's stone litho leporello (it took a loooong time to mkake!):<br />Mark Staff Brandl and Daniel Ammann:<br />Das Auge der Verfolgung. Artists’ Book.<br />Stone lithograph in numbered edition, 26x35 cm, Leporello with 8 pages, Rives paper, 300g.<br />St. Gallen: Stoob Steindruck, 1998.<br />http://www.markstaffbrandl.com/artistsbooks/auge.htmlMark Staff Brandlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09790837634536259781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-33567237141310546712013-04-09T11:11:49.871-04:002013-04-09T11:11:49.871-04:00I'm excited about your book. Definitely "...I'm excited about your book. Definitely "long form". (I swear if I find myself typing "long form" one more time, I'm gonna long form my head into a brick wall.) Mike Getsivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07473483211708315485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-4287156075653047272013-04-09T11:08:05.107-04:002013-04-09T11:08:05.107-04:00Is it okay if I use your animation blog to practic...Is it okay if I use your animation blog to practice my 1970s disco dance moves?<br /><br />Actually, we should do a combo animation where <a href="http://abstractcomics.blogspot.com/2009/10/dancey.html" rel="nofollow">Dancey</a> dances in the panels. <br /><br />btw, I wasn't sure what to call my book but I made a rough cover for it back in early 2009 that just had ~ on it and not being able to come up with a title, decided to just call it that. (It also seemed the best way to go for an abstract/asemic collection. Any word for a title sounded dumber, funny enough, than a squiggle or "tilde" as it's officially called.)Mike Getsivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07473483211708315485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-68641695562512280622013-04-09T10:53:20.693-04:002013-04-09T10:53:20.693-04:00I don't want to disqualify your minis, you big...I don't <em>want</em> to disqualify your minis, you big baby! You know I love them. I'm just trying to figure out the criteria for what is and what isn't "long form". <br /><br />Maybe I could ad <a href="http://abstractcomics.blogspot.com/2009/10/dancey.html" rel="nofollow">Dancey</a> to the list if I say that it's dancing very sloooooooooooooooooowly… <br />Mike Getsivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07473483211708315485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-1512272588924889142013-04-08T22:41:05.983-04:002013-04-08T22:41:05.983-04:00No, it's a piece I did sampling Tony. I can a...No, it's a piece I did sampling Tony. I can assure you that he wants nothing to do with it. In the same way that James Tenney's "Blue Suede Shoes" remix is not credited to Elvis. I titled it "Alcoholalia: a remix of Tony Millionaire's Maakies no. 35," but it's not like a remix song where you just add a new beat or something. It's an entire 24-page piece built up out of a one-panel strip.<br /><br />"Abstract Life" was meant to hold together conceptually--see the titles of the individual pieces. But, zheesh, if you want to disqualify me... Andrei Molotiuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400106944822618816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-33331473556178512982013-04-08T22:16:29.343-04:002013-04-08T22:16:29.343-04:00Shouldn't Alcoholalia (I always want to call i...Shouldn't Alcoholalia (I always want to call it "Alcoholica") be co-credited to Tony Millionaire? It's a Maakies remix, right?<br /><br />I'm still not sure about Abstract Life being "long form". It's a collection of separate short pieces, right?<br /><br />Sorry for all my "right? right?"s about your minis. I promise I didn't lose them or give them away or use them for kitty litterbox lining. I just don't have them with me right now. Mike Getsivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07473483211708315485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-11493004531685877952013-04-08T21:52:35.973-04:002013-04-08T21:52:35.973-04:00And, of course, I'm working on this-a-one: ht...And, of course, I'm working on this-a-one: http://blotcomics.blogspot.com/2012/12/scattered-pages-from-upcoming-book.htmlAndrei Molotiuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400106944822618816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-899946063697780510.post-85381249585014937022013-04-08T21:50:51.147-04:002013-04-08T21:50:51.147-04:00And so does "An Abstract Life," come to ...And so does "An Abstract Life," come to think of it.Andrei Molotiuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17400106944822618816noreply@blogger.com