Not that anybody, at this late date, would bother reading this comment--but the discussion over at "The Next Issue" got pretty heated, and Kevin closed off comments. I would still like to address a couple of points in his last comment, though, so I will do so here--imagine this as being the next post on that comment thread.
Kevin--
I notice, in your final post, you ignore my simple point that this is a very young field; there simply hasn't been the time, yet, to make a much longer comic; and also there isn't, so far, the commercial support. How long did it take comics in general to create longer forms? This seems to me a much better explanation than that "natural limiting tendency." As a matter of fact, this entire discussion has prompted me to think how one could do an abstract comic at greater length, and I can see some very artistically rewarding ways. Don't know if I'll do it anytime soon though, simply not currently having the energy for it, but we'll see. It's also a matter of who would print it--it's much easier to get an 8-page piece in print than a 200-page one.
As for my (supposedly failed) rhetorical trap--I've already asked you to tell me what longer abstract comics you base your judgment on, and I still would like an actual answer. But fine, we can easily extend the question to any abstract comics in print over 4-5 pages (and therefore to your own definition of "long-form" comics). I really am curious, I busted my ass for the anthology and I know how hard it is to get your hands on, basically, anything in the genre.
The first and most comprehensive source of abstract comics on the web, tracing the history and surveying the contemporary landscape of abstract sequential art.
On Abstract Comics: The Anthology (Currently SOLD OUT):
The artists assembled by Andrei Molotiu for his anthology ABSTRACT COMICS (Fantagraphics, $39.99) push “cartooning” to its limits... It’s a fascinating book to stare at, and as with other kinds of abstract art, half the fun is observing your own reactions: anyone who’s used to reading more conventional sorts of comics is likely to reflexively impose narrative on these abstractions, to figure out just what each panel has to do with the next.
--Douglas Wolk, New York Times Book Review, Holiday Books edition, December 6, 2009 The collection has a wealth of rewarding material... it is a significant historical document that may jump-start an actual new genre.
--Doug Harvey, LA Weekly It becomes a treat to take a page of art - or a simple panel - and consider how the shapes, texture, depth, and color interact with one another; to reflect on how, when one takes the time, the enjoyment one ordinarily finds in reading a purely textually-oriented, narrative-driven written story can - with the graphic form - be translated into something completely different.
--Adam Waterreus, Politics and Prose, "Favorite Graphic Literature of the Year."
...this arresting book is like a scoop of primordial narrative, representational mud. Which is to say, it has vitaminic powers.
--Design Observer
For years, comics (at least American ones) have doggedly refused for one reason or another, to consider other schools of art and beyond mere representation. It's only now we see artists attempting to branch out and try to push at the edge's of the medium's definition. As such I found Abstract Comics to be a revealing, thought-provoking and genuinely lovely book that I'll be sure to be rereading in the months to come.
Not that anybody, at this late date, would bother reading this comment--but the discussion over at "The Next Issue" got pretty heated, and Kevin closed off comments. I would still like to address a couple of points in his last comment, though, so I will do so here--imagine this as being the next post on that comment thread.
ReplyDeleteKevin--
I notice, in your final post, you ignore my simple point that this is a very young field; there simply hasn't been the time, yet, to make a much longer comic; and also there isn't, so far, the commercial support. How long did it take comics in general to create longer forms? This seems to me a much better explanation than that "natural limiting tendency." As a matter of fact, this entire discussion has prompted me to think how one could do an abstract comic at greater length, and I can see some very artistically rewarding ways. Don't know if I'll do it anytime soon though, simply not currently having the energy for it, but we'll see. It's also a matter of who would print it--it's much easier to get an 8-page piece in print than a 200-page one.
As for my (supposedly failed) rhetorical trap--I've already asked you to tell me what longer abstract comics you base your judgment on, and I still would like an actual answer. But fine, we can easily extend the question to any abstract comics in print over 4-5 pages (and therefore to your own definition of "long-form" comics). I really am curious, I busted my ass for the anthology and I know how hard it is to get your hands on, basically, anything in the genre.